Interview with Garrett Kostin Part II 
TBF: 
What were your feelings about the situation of the people in general inside the country?
Garrett: This is a difficult and complex question to 
answer. I can only give my impression that the Burmese people themselves
 are the country’s most valuable resource. In a country with so many 
things going wrong, to me the only worthwhile reason to visit the 
country is to visit the people: to have the opportunity to learn from 
them, take guidance from them, support them, and befriend them, even if 
only briefly. The people have an astounding amount of patience and 
endurance, which is why they are able to still smile and find enjoyment 
even under such difficult and oppressive conditions. However, I have the
 clear impression that they are not living full, complete lives, and I 
think they are aware of this also. They are surviving now, but the hope 
that they will one day soon be able to live free, self-determining, 
complete lives is what sustains them.

 
In
 discussions with the people, I heard a lot of anger, cynicism, and 
disgust expressed towards the military regime. This was not surprising. 
What was disturbing was to also hear notes of resignation and 
helplessness from some. I was told by a few Burmese people that they 
felt everything that could be done to bring about freedom and democracy 
to their country had already been tried and had failed. They couldn’t 
see a solution, but did have hope that one would appear, possibly from 
outside of Burma. I encouraged them to look inside themselves, and not 
to wait for outside help, as it is my belief that a true, lasting change
 must arise from within Burma itself. Those of us on the outside can 
merely offer encouragement, inspiration, and support.
Finally, although I was told by one or two people that “maybe things 
in Burma will improve this year with the upcoming elections”, the vast 
majority of those I spoke with have no faith that the elections will be 
free or fair, or will result in any significant change or improvement in
 the country. One man told me that without the NLD, there was no one he 
could trust or support, so he would not be voting at all.
TBF: Do you feel tourists/visitors have an obligation to do something about the situation in Burma?
 
Garrett: This is another complex question. There is a
 difference between what I would like tourists to do and what I would 
say they have an obligation to do. I do feel it is irresponsible to go 
to Burma without doing some background reading about the situation 
there. I also feel it is wrong to stay in state-run hotels or guest 
houses, fly with the government airlines, pay to visit Mandalay Palace, 
etc., as all of those activities provide direct monetary support to the 
military regime, which the vast majority of the population has strongly 
rejected as the legitimate leaders of their country.
There is a concept called “responsible tourism in Burma”, which 
includes educating yourself about the country, attempting to give as 
little money as possible to the junta, looking for ways to directly 
support the people, and trying to listen to and learn from locals as 
much as possible about what they want for their country. I strongly 
support this type of responsible tourism, and I hope every tourist to 
Burma looks for some small things they can also do to show solidarity 
with the cause of democracy and freedom in Burma, and to remind the 
people that their cause has not been defeated or forgotten.
I also take inspiration from Aung San Suu Kyi in regards to this 
question. She has said, “If you are neutral in a situation of injustice,
 you have chosen to side with the oppressor.” Each individual must 
decide if their conscience allows them to remain neutral or not.
TBF: Do you think your actions could have brought local contacts in danger?
Garrett: Of course this a great concern, and 
something I discussed in advance with several Burmese monks and 
laypeople. I took every precaution I could, as well as every suggestion I
 was given about how to minimize possible negative consequences to 
locals I had contact with. Many of the people who had direct contact 
with me as guides, drivers, or guest house staff never had any idea of 
what I was doing. I also only put the stickers in public areas where 
they could not be linked to specific individuals.
Unfortunately I cannot give every detail of what I did, but I hope 
that people realize my actions were not simply the deeds of an 
irresponsible, adrenaline-driven foreigner, but part of a larger peace 
campaign constructed by and with Burmese monks, peace activists, and 
other Burmese people.
TBF: What happened when you were arrested? What did the authorities tell you? Did you see a lawyer, or somebody from your embassy?
Garrett: I knew that the authorities were following 
me and limiting my movements for several days prior to my arrest. It was
 quite obvious. At this point, the locals who were in contact with me 
knew that they were likely to at least be questioned by the authorities,
 but still none rejected me. I tried to apologize in advance to the 
managers of guest houses where I stayed, etc., but was consistently told
 that they did not resent me or wish for me to move away from them.
I decided that I would not give up and leave Burma early on my own 
accord, as this would just show the authorities that I feared them or 
that I felt I had done something wrong. I spoke with a duty officer at 
the U.S. Embassy in Rangoon and based on our conversation I was 
determined to complete my itinerary, knowing that minimally I would be 
followed every step of the way, and possibly detained for questioning or
 even deported. I only had five days left on my itinerary anyway, and I 
was very determined to get to Kachin State! I don’t give up or scare too
 easily.
As it turns out, after a day in Mandalay in which the surveillance of
 myself was not as obvious as it had been in smaller cities and I had 
started to relax a little, the next morning I woke up to find that a few
 immigration officers and several plain-clothes officials, possibly 
policemen, were waiting for me in the lobby of the guest house. I was 
not told much beyond that I was going to be taken to the airport and 
forced to leave Burma that day. The officials could not speak English 
and had difficulty finding an interpreter, so they did not ask me any 
questions, nor were any of my questions answered. My passport was 
confiscated, and not returned to me until I boarded the final flight to 
Bangkok.
Before I was taken from the guest house, I was allowed to pack my 
things, and during this time I was able to pass a note to another 
foreigner at the guest house. I asked her to please call the duty 
officer at the U.S. Embassy and let him know that I was being deported. 
From reading about other foreigners’ encounters with Burmese officials, I
 knew it was pretty pointless to request a lawyer. At this point, they 
were under no obligation to provide me with one.

 
I
 had to suffer a long, awkward drive to the Mandalay airport crushed in 
the backseat of a taxi with two bulky men, but oddly I was allowed to 
listen to my i Pod during the ride! No one spoke to me the entire time. I
 figured maybe I would be questioned when we reached Rangoon. I was 
never handcuffed or handled roughly. At the airport there were what I 
assume to be government agents waiting with cameras. I was filmed the 
entire time. I was put on a plane with an escort. Unfortunately, it was a
 Myanmar Airways flight – but I was able to get a final peace dove 
sticker up in the aircraft’s bathroom.
We flew from Mandalay to Nay Pyi Taw, then to Rangoon. In Rangoon I 
was taken to an immigration office, but still never questioned or 
thoroughly searched. On a shelf in the office I saw a large folder on a 
shelf labeled “Blacklist 2005”. I asked an officer if my name would be 
featured in “Blacklist 2010.” He told me, “Sure”. At this point the mood
 was more relaxed, and I was asked if I had already had my lunch or not.
 I told them I had not even had any breakfast, but that I was okay. I 
was given a cup of green tea.
Any question I asked about the reason for my deportation was answered
 with, “I don’t know”. I was simply told that I had to leave Burma that 
day. I got the impression that the authorities directly dealing with me 
were just following their orders, doing their jobs. The decision-makers 
were behind the scenes. Finally, I was put on the plane to Bangkok and 
my passport was returned to me.
TBF: What are some of the future plans for the peace campaign?
Things will not slow down, but for now will focus on activities 
outside of Burma. For myself, I am back home safely, but very busy 
answering questions about my actions. The interest others have shown is 
wonderful, but also completely unanticipated. Initially, I sent out a 
brief e-mail to about fifteen friends and family members just to notify 
them of my deportation and let them know that I was now safe. That 
e-mail was translated into Burmese and sent out to several media outlets
 by a friend of mine who is a Burmese reporter in Malaysia. The next day
 I had an interview request from the BBC World Service in Bangkok, and 
saw that my news had been picked up by at least 20 blogs.
The future activities of the Peace Campaign and those of The Best 
Friend Library are very interrelated. We will be hosting another 
screening of “Burma VJ” in Chiang Mai next week, followed by a 
discussion with Ashin Sopaka. In June there will be a two-day event in 
Chiang Mai in honor of Aung San Suu Kyi’s 65th birthday. 
There are plans for another “Peace Walk” in Mae Sot for later this year,
 and I have also just heard the good news that we have received a grant 
to produce another 10,000 peace dove stickers!
I will most likely be unable to have another opportunity to spread 
the stickers inside Burma myself, but we have already had a few other 
volunteers who have taken stickers with them on day trips across the 
border. Perhaps more people will be willing to help spread the stickers 
inside, although that will now be increasingly dangerous as the 
authorities now know that the sticker is related to The Best Friend. We 
will not stop looking for ways to promote peace and freedom in Burma by 
providing information and education to anyone interested, and support to
 those working for positive change in Burma!