Interview with Ashin
Issariya/ King Zero, by Alexandra Rösch for The Best Friend | 27.9.2009
TBF: The Burmese monks have demanded the
military junta to apologize for the killing and insulting of monks and the
religion not later than October 2, 2009 or face the consequences of
excommunication starting on October 3, 2009. How is the situation inside Burma
now?
Ashin
Issariya: The
situation is extremely tense because the Burmese government is obviously afraid
of the monks. They fear, that we monks might start walking again, might build a
movement again and initiate a revolution. That is why today the Burmese monks
are followed, restricted and controlled so much. In this situation a lot of monks
are on the run, hiding somewhere, having changed their robes to laymen clothes.
Some monks left Burma and came to Mae Sot, Thailand. Yes, some monks had run
away from Myanmar because of the harsh persecution.
Today, many monks are engaging
themselves with politics for the sake of our country. These monks don’t care if
they get arrested or not. The government is very afraid of these monks. Its
because of these Burmese monks’ dedication to offer their lifes for the freedom
of our country, that the Burmese government is so afraid of them. One of my
friends just told me: “It doesn’t matter if we get killed or not, we offer our
lifes for our country.” We, this includes myself, offer our lifes because we
can’t accept the ruling of the military junta in our country.
As you know a lot of monks are
already in jail. And they are our friends. We feel a great responsibility to
help them, to protect them, to try to get them released from the prisons. All
Burmese monks share this concern. It is our responsibility to free the monks
from the Burmese jails.
TBF: In
an amnesty the military junta released 7,000 prisoners including 128 political
dissidents and of them only 4 monks, what do you think about that?
Ashin
Issariya: Yes, only
four monks were released, which is extremely bad. On the contrary, they have
meanwhile arrested another ten monks, although we don’t know who they were.
This means, we only now about ten monks imprisoned lately, but the police has,
actually, captured many persons. However, we don’t get any information on their
identities. In our country most people are uneducated, which makes them
especially vulnerable and insecure. These people are extremely fearful of the
government. If someone gets caught and sent to jail, they don’t now what to do.
This also very often applies to the families of our monks who don’t now what to
do for their imprisoned sons. Usually, the most they are informed about is,
that the police has caught their son but nether where he was sent to, nor what
they could do for him right now. Like this, you see, we have no information
about identity and whereabouts of the lately arrested monks.
And even though they have
released a lot of prisoners last week, only a few political dissidents were
among them. I think this is an ill lead message and definitely a big mistake.
They have released all kind of criminals like thieves and murderers, who, being
free again, could now steal more and continue to kill. These criminals are the
ones, who should remain in the jails. But instead the political dissidents are
still imprisoned. They should not be there. These persons are trying to help
our country in a peaceful way. This is all wrong. We feel so sorry for them and
we promised ouerselfs to do everything we can to help release all political
prisoners.
TBF: Do
you think that from Germany, Europe, the USA or any other part of the world we
could help you somehow?
Ashin Issariya: Of course, you
can. Now inside Burma a lot of monks are traveling around, sharing pamphlets,
which is extremely dangerous. I try to support these monks but sometimes I
simply have not enough money to really help. This is a real problem for me,
especially because from inside Burma a great number of monks, ordinary people
and students are trying to get in touch with me and asking for support. My
possibility to help is so limited, it’s simply not enough. I want to tell the
world: Please, remember that we are all humans. The people in our country are
humans like all other people in the the world. And as humans we have a
responsibility to protect other humans and to protect our valuable human
rights.
In our country, for example, the
military government kills innocent people, they even kill the most peace loving
monks. This is a major problem for us, for our country, but also for the world.
Other countries should help us, but not by issuing statements alone, not only
help with words. The Burmese military government is not afraid of words. What
we need are clear guidelines. The leaders of other countries should tell our
military government: You have to follow these guidelines! If you don’t obey our
exigencies there will be consequences! And, of course, these kind of statements
have to be followed by action.
But the United Nations don’t act.
Take, for example, the way the UN behaved at the time of Cyclone Nargis. The
United Nations declared to have a program and to be able to help. But that was
not true. I was inside Burma at that time. The United Nation’s couldn’t help
the Burmese people. These people lost everything, they had no food and no money.
Most of the population affected by Cyclone Nargis were farmers and fishermen.
Neither the government nor the United Nations helped them. Of course, at that
time the news was spread around, that help would come. So a lot of people
expected help from Than Shwe or from the UN. But the United Nations gave the
food to the military government and they only used it to pose with this food
for some fake pictures. After that the food was stolen and sold by the
government. It never reached the people. This is the way, thinks are managed
under the Burmese military junta and that is not good.
Or take the behavior of the USA
in the Daw Aung San Suu Kyi case. They laid great emphasis on protecting their
citizens and demanded, that Mr. Yettaw should be released, what happened soon
in fact. But our leader Daw Aung San Suu Kyi remains under house arrest. The
USA government always claims to understand the impotency of Human Rights and
that they want to help us bring a peaceful democracy to Burma. But that is only
talk. They don’t act like that. Instead of only trying to release their own
citizens, they should do more to help release Daw Aung San Suu Kyi. We don’t
like the way, they act.
TBF: On
the two-year anniversary of the monk-led September mass demonstrations, Burma’s
military junta has tightened security in several cities around the country.
Security forces were deployed along main roads and near major monasteries and
pagodas. I read the monks can only go out in groups not bigger than five
persons. How can you under this circumstances go out and demonstrate again?
Ashin Issariya: That is right, if
more than five monks walk out, they will get caught and face to be asked a lot
of questions. Questions like “why are you going outside in a group?” Sometimes
even alone walking monks are stopped and intensively interrogated. Now, if the
monks walk out in a group larger than five they are questioned like: WWhere are
you going? Why are you going to the pagoda?” Sometimes the monks are also
called to the police offices to be interrogated there.
How to walk out on the streets
under such circumstances is of vital importance for us. We think about this a
lot. For, clearly, the government is trying to stop our action.
We will have a ceremony at a big
monastery for Pavarana Day. This day is the end of the rains retreat with many
monks attending to confess their violations of the disciplinary rules to
another monk or to the Sangha. At that time a lot of monks will be together at
one place, one monastery. The lay people gather to make formal offerings of
robe cloth and other requisites to the Sangha and in this situation the monks
will reject all offerings of the military. We will declar to them, that we from
now on boycott them. We don’t accept their programs. We ask them to apologize to
us and to release all monks from the Burmese prisons. If they don’t obey to
that, we will turn our bowls and practice the Pattanikkujjana.
We will march – if they try to
stop us or not, doesn’t matter. We will sit in mediation and we will recite the
Metta Sutta. We will ask all people to join our protest.